tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14966686.post112711767936057117..comments2024-02-05T05:00:19.099-07:00Comments on Soylent Green . . .: Emergent Audio and Some Engaging Ad HominemSharad Yadavhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12150204571738424517noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14966686.post-1130456951650589862005-10-27T17:49:00.000-06:002005-10-27T17:49:00.000-06:00My pleasure, Rose! I'm glad you found something us...My pleasure, Rose! I'm glad you found something useful here!Sharad Yadavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12150204571738424517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14966686.post-1130456488745543182005-10-27T17:41:00.000-06:002005-10-27T17:41:00.000-06:00Sharad,The wonderful world of blog has brought thi...Sharad,<BR/>The wonderful world of blog has brought this thing called "the emergent church" to my attention. (Here in my small world, the closest thing to it I have heard of is the "seeker friendly church".) I used your resources in this post to figure out what it is and I also went to my church's association website and saw an article there.<BR/><BR/>http://www.baptistbulletin.org/index.php?q=node/167<BR/><BR/>Interesting this generation x.<BR/><BR/>I missed being in generation x by about one year, I think.<BR/><BR/>My thoughts: I think they may throw the baby out with the bathwater. That being said, I do think it is interesting .... coming from a catholic background myself ... hearing all the "protestants" speaking against the traditionalism found in catholicism ... some folks in the "protestant" church covet their own non-biblical tradtions quite strongly too. (e.g. - nearly two decades ago when I first was a Christian, many in the church were up in arms over "styles" of music in the worship service.)<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your help in my education to the controversies swirling around in the larger church. Bless you, fork man!Rose~https://www.blogger.com/profile/14906854078623897422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14966686.post-1127584535877283862005-09-24T11:55:00.000-06:002005-09-24T11:55:00.000-06:00Thanks, Jonathan - my thoughts on "emergent" are m...Thanks, Jonathan - my thoughts on "emergent" are mostly limited to 1) the common conservative response to it which seems to eschew a real understanding of what drives the popularity of it 2) the academic (theological, hermeneutical and literary) theory which influences and undergirds the movement. That said, my thoughts on those topics are pretty pedestrian as well. If TMS folks are interested in the arguments involved on both sides, there are probably better sources for stimulation than me! I will be posting some more book reviews in the future, though.Sharad Yadavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12150204571738424517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14966686.post-1127576321387022952005-09-24T09:38:00.000-06:002005-09-24T09:38:00.000-06:00Sharad, you should consider posting your "emergent...Sharad, you should consider posting your "emergent" thoughts at the TMS Alumni blog. I think it would be a great discussion.Jonathan Moorheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03687367307942260277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14966686.post-1127257226524395182005-09-20T17:00:00.000-06:002005-09-20T17:00:00.000-06:00I should also point out that it seems to me that f...I should also point out that it seems to me that for a lot of emergent folks D.A. Carson's contribution seems to not be hitting the mark, which I think is a shame. Even though he can be a bit misrepresentative at times, I think some of his criticisms are very astute and well-formulated.<BR/><BR/>But what do I know!Sharad Yadavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12150204571738424517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14966686.post-1127201550683824372005-09-20T01:32:00.000-06:002005-09-20T01:32:00.000-06:00Thanks for your comments, Stephen, and for taking ...Thanks for your comments, Stephen, and for taking the time to read what I've posted here! And as far as asking for opinions on the issues, I don't know why you wouldn't think yours are more valuable than anyone else's - you seem like a pretty thoughtful guy to me! Moreover, if Scot McKnight is right about emergent being a phenomena arising out of 20 somethings, it seems like you're opinions may be more relevant than many. Your comment about the "tendency to deplore the way things have been done in the evangelical church, yet fall into the same traps while giving them different names" is interesting. I remember listening to a conference series in which Stanley Hauerwas was the keynote speaker, and certain incongruities came up during his introduction that were hilarious - and the ironies weren't lost on those attending. Asking people to buy products from the conference in a "non-consumeristic way" and the reticense to acknowledge a speaker's authoritative expertise (in order to maintain the "conversation" feel) are a couple of examples that stood out to me. That's not to discredit any contribution of emergent - but it does highlight what you're talking about.Sharad Yadavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12150204571738424517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14966686.post-1127171941642277022005-09-19T17:19:00.000-06:002005-09-19T17:19:00.000-06:00Thanks, Aaron! The audio links look interesting.Thanks, Aaron! The audio links look interesting.Sharad Yadavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12150204571738424517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14966686.post-1127171367201823542005-09-19T17:09:00.000-06:002005-09-19T17:09:00.000-06:00There's a developing page on the emergent church h...There's a developing page on the emergent church here:<BR/><BR/>http://www.theopedia.com/Emergent_churchAaron Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03385127979306952044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14966686.post-1127147637598604652005-09-19T10:33:00.000-06:002005-09-19T10:33:00.000-06:00I think you touched on why the emerging movement h...I think you touched on why the emerging movement has . . . emerged. It is yet another indictment on the institutional insensitivity of the Church. Sincere questions are handled with a dogmatic club, and the disillusioned faithful congregate into a "movement" outside the mainstream. It's an old story, characteristic of contemporary sects such as Pentacostalism as well as old heresies, such as Arianism. Responses like that of Neuhaus fail to see the moral indignation and theological disaffection behind the postmodern turn. That's not to say there aren't serious contributions on behalf of emergent folks, as if they're simply "rebellious teenagers who need to be understood" - but it is to say that mutually edifying dialogue is impossible when the only mode contemporary gate-keepers know is indiscriminate chastisement.Sharad Yadavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12150204571738424517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14966686.post-1127146521456724562005-09-19T10:15:00.000-06:002005-09-19T10:15:00.000-06:00Perhaps a good question to ask Neuhaus, whose maga...Perhaps a good question to ask Neuhaus, whose magazine I read pretty thoroughly for 3 years -- until it sounded like I was reading the same thing over and over, is this:<BR/><BR/>How many 20-somethings are in his local church?<BR/><BR/>This is the issue for the emerging church, isn't it? And it is not as simple as pandering to the younger set. More contact with them shows that they have genuine questions.Scot McKnighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12464859313317428105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14966686.post-1127143385222594192005-09-19T09:23:00.000-06:002005-09-19T09:23:00.000-06:00I totally agree, Stephen. It seems like even thoug...I totally agree, Stephen. It seems like even though there's plenty of "conversation" with the old guard who are wary of emergent, both parties continue to miss one another. I'm wondering, though, beyond the interpersonal issues, if there is a more substantive critique of the movement. Do you have any thoughts? <BR/><BR/>Incidentally, I took a peek at your profile - my children happen to be half Asian-Indian, and their mom and dad happen to LOVE indie rock and obviously I'm something of a fan of liberal arts and theology. All of that to say, if you're ever in Idaho, look us up!Sharad Yadavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12150204571738424517noreply@blogger.com